UK Liberty

FAIL

Posted in law and order, politicians on liberty by ukliberty on October 26, 2008

Rob Marris (PPS (Rt Hon Shaun Woodward, Secretary of State), Northern Ireland Office; Wolverhampton South West, Labour) | Hansard source | Watch this

Does my right hon. Friend agree that it is inconsistent and unprincipled for Conservatives such as Mr. Grieve and David Davis, as well as organisations such as Liberty, to seek to clothe themselves in the Magna Carta and civil liberties while, conversely, they propose alternative diminutions of civil liberties, such as post-charge questioning, the use of intercept evidence at trial and 42 days’ detention under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004? Is not that wholly unprincipled?

Jacqui Smith (Surveillance Secretary; Redditch, Labour) | Hansard source | Watch this

If I have taken one thing from our discussions on the Bill, it has been my hon. Friend’s incisive critique at every stage. I thank him for his engagement and wholeheartedly agree with his point.

Well, they are both wrong then.  Neither Grieve, Davis, Liberty, nor others (nor I), argued we must never ever infringe on liberty.

What is disputed is the proportionality and necessity of any proposal, and the weighing up of alternatives.

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