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When is a consensus not a consensus?

Posted in detention without charge, politicians on liberty by ukliberty on February 26, 2008

When everyone but you agrees with a position.

Q154 Martin Salter: Home Secretary, the consensus building exercise, as you rightly said, is predetermined on people being prepared to move their decision. It appears to me that the Government has moved from a blanket 90 days – a fairly crude position that it failed to get through Parliament in 2005 – to the proposals that you have put before us. Who else appears to have moved their position in this debate in your judgment?

Jacqui Smith: In my judgment, you are right that we have fundamentally changed our position, but nobody else, despite, in my case, quite a lot of meetings, particularly with opposition parties, appears as yet to have moved their position. To go back to the question the Chairman asked, in order to build a consensus you need not just one side of the discussion to move, you need more than one side of the discussion to be willing to engage in that argument.

Uncorrected Oral Evidence on the Counter Terrorism Bill

I think the consensus has been built without her: 42 day detention without charge is abhorrent and unnecessary.

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  1. liquidsnakemi said, on February 26, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    That is a good question. I think a consensus is when most people in congress vote. That is my opinion anyway.

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  2. Trust « UK Liberty said, on March 6, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    […] building a genuine consensus, instead of only accepting that there is consensus when it agrees with your position; […]


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