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		<title>Playing to the gallery on &#8216;self-defence&#8217;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tories and Labour playing to the gallery, I think. Mr Johnson said he was sure Justice Secretary Jack Straw would look again at the law on householders&#8217; right to defend themselves against intruders, despite previous reviews that have resulted in no change to the legal position. He was speaking after Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2688&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tories and Labour <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6850470/Alan-Johnson-uncomfortable-at-jailing-of-man-who-beat-burglar.html" target="_blank">playing to the gallery, I think</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Mr Johnson said he was sure Justice Secretary Jack Straw would look again at the law on householders&#8217; right to defend themselves against intruders, despite previous reviews that have resulted in no change to the legal position. He was speaking after Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, promised a review of the legislation if the Conservatives won the next election to &#8220;provide the right level of protection for householders&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mr Johnson said he was sure Justice Secretary Jack Straw would look again at the law on householders&#8217; right to defend themselves against intruders, despite previous reviews that have resulted in no change to the legal position.</p>
<p>He was speaking after Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, promised a review of the legislation if the Conservatives won the next election to &#8220;provide the right level of protection for householders&#8221;.<br />
Mr Grayling told the Sunday Telegraph:</p>
<p>&#8220;At the moment the law allows a defendant to use &#8216;reasonable force&#8217; to protect him or herself, their family or their property. Conservatives argue that the defence that the law offers a householder should be much clearer, and that prosecutions and convictions should only happen in cases where courts judge the actions involved to be &#8216;grossly disproportionate&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Hussain was jailed for 30 months last week after being found guilty of causing grievous bodily harm by intent.</p>
<p>The 53-year-old businessman and his brother pursued three intruders who had tied up and threatened to kill his family in their Buckinghamshire home. They caught one of the men and beat him with a cricket bat so hard that the bat broke and the intruder was left with brain damage.</p>
<p>Judge John Reddihough noted Hussain&#8217;s &#8220;courage&#8221; but said he carried out a &#8220;dreadful, violent attack&#8221; on the intruder as he lay defenceless. &#8230; [also see <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/14/jail-brothers-burglar-cricket-bat" target="_blank">the Guardian</a>]</p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect any future review will come to the same conclusions as those prior to it: <a href="http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/self_defence/#Reasonable_Force" target="_blank">you can use reasonable force, you&#8217;ll probably have a bit of leeway in terms of actions taken in the &#8216;heat of the moment&#8217;</a>, but you aren&#8217;t allowed to use excessive force.</p>
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		<title>Bon voyage</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(hat-tip Andrew Watson) Some organisations aren&#8217;t accepting the new UK ID card and thereby ruining Christmas. The Mirror: P&#38;O blocks new ID card A couple&#8217;s Christmas break was ruined after the husband was told he could not use his ID card to catch a ferry. Norman Eastwood, 64, had been assured the new Government document [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2697&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">(hat-tip Andrew Watson)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Some organisations aren&#8217;t accepting the new UK ID card and thereby <strong>ruining Christmas</strong>.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/12/23/p-o-blocks-new-id-card-115875-21917667/" target="_blank">The Mirror: P&amp;O blocks new ID card</a></p>
<blockquote><p>A couple&#8217;s Christmas break was ruined after the husband was told he could not use his ID card to catch a ferry.</p>
<p>Norman Eastwood, 64, had been assured the new Government document was valid for travel within Europe.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/968.htm" target="_blank">That is in fact what the IPS website says</a>: &#8221;this card can be used for travel within the EU/EEA and Switzerland&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>But when he arrived at Hull for a trip to Rotterdam, P&amp;O told him they had no knowledge of the cards, only available in the North West. &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1187160_id_card_confusion_at_travel_terminals" target="_blank">Manchester Evening News: ID card confusion at travel terminals</a></p>
<blockquote><p>One man had to cancel a Christmas cross-Channel break when P&amp;O told him he could not use his ID card. And another said he was ‘treated like an illegal immigrant&#8217; by airport staff who had no idea what his ID card was.</p>
<p>Bricklayer Norman Eastwood, who was one of the first people to get a card, said he was fuming when P&amp;O staff at Hull refused to let him on the ferry to Rotterdam without a passport.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Meanwhile student Cyrus Nayeri, from Denton, said he was treated like a criminal by staff at airline German Wings when he showed them his ID card.</p>
<p>Cyrus, 18, who was travelling from Stansted to Bonn on an educational trip, was taken into a side room and told he could not fly.</p>
<p>He said: “It was like they thought I was trying to use a fake document.</p>
<p>“I was one of the biggest supporters of the scheme but now I definitely wouldn&#8217;t recommend them to anyone.”</p>
<p>When Mr Nayeri complained, airline staff eventually phoned British government officials – and let him on the plane at the last minute.</p>
<p>But a German Wings spokesman later confirmed the company would NOT be accepting the ID cards in future, until they are recognised by the German Federal Police.</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1187159_id_card_chaos_as_travel_firms_blunder" target="_blank">Manchester Evening News: ID card chaos as travel firms blunder</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Some 1,736 people in Greater Manchester have bought the £30 cards after the Home Office promised they could be used to travel in Europe.</p>
<p>But customer service staff at nine major travel companies – including British Airways, Eurostar and BMI baby – told M.E.N reporters posing as customers that the cards could NOT be used instead of passports.</p>
<p>Eight of the nine companies later issued statements saying staff had given the wrong advice – and that the cards COULD be used after all. But Eurostar remained unsure. A spokesman said: “We are unable to confirm whether the ID cards are valid on Eurostar at this time.”</p>
<p>Meanwhile two major German airlines said they would not accept the cards until they had been officially recognised by the German federal authorities.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">A P&amp;O spokesman said: “We weren&#8217;t aware of the trial of these ID cards. The Home Office did not communicate this scheme to us. UK Borders Agency at Hull told us they weren&#8217;t aware of the trial either.”</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">I&#8217;m not sure there is a &#8216;trial&#8217;, as such &#8211; ID cards &#8220;can be used for travel within the EU/EEA and Switzerland&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/23/id_card_travel_confusion/" target="_blank">The Register: Multiple travel firms refuse ID cards as passport alternative</a>:</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">In a statement, the Identity and Passport Service (IPS) said it remained confident that the majority of travellers will have no problems using ID cards as an alternative to passports.</p>
<blockquote><p>The National Identity Card is a valid document for travel and is as good as a passport in Europe.</p>
<p>We expect all carriers in the UK to accept National Identity Cards for travel as a legal duty and we are confident that the vast majority of travellers will have no problems using their Identity Card as a travel document.</p></blockquote>
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<p>The <em>majority</em>?  Best take your passport instead&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Merry Christmas from the UK Border Agency</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[London Review Blog (hat-tip Andrew Watson): Christmas, if you do it, is supposed to be about ‘good will toward men’. It’s from Luke 2, just before the angels appear and the shepherds head for the manger. Every year fair numbers of people manage a gesture that rises to the occasion. Still, in a humbug mood [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2695&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2009/12/21/jeremy-harding/would-they-have-let-the-magi-in/" target="_blank">London Review Blog</a> (hat-tip Andrew Watson):</p>
<blockquote><p>Christmas, if you do it, is supposed to be about ‘good will toward men’. It’s from Luke 2, just before the angels appear and the shepherds head for the manger. Every year fair numbers of people manage a gesture that rises to the occasion. Still, in a humbug mood you can imagine the card that says ‘Tiny Tim’s still on crutches. Have a good one’ or ‘This Christmas I’ll be eating for higher sea levels’ or ‘We’ve introduced ID cards for foreign nationals. Season’s Greetings.’ Did I say imagine? Here’s the Christmas card the UK Border Agency has been sending out to, among others, lawyers and charities working with asylum seekers and refugees. Run your eye up and down the pretty tree to find ‘controlling the flow of migration’ or ‘biometric fingerprinting for visa applicants’ etc (you can click on it for a larger image).</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">&#8230;</p>
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		<title>We can trust everyone in authority</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Register: Forget Google&#8217;s Street View &#8211; Transport for London is the new black when it comes to privacy-busting surveillance black ops, if this live traffic camera image captured yesterday is anything to go by: We&#8217;re not quite sure what&#8217;s going on here and how it affects the flow of traffic to and from Twickenham Bridge, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2689&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/tfl_camera/" target="_blank">The Register</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Forget Google&#8217;s Street View &#8211; Transport for London is the new black when it comes to privacy-busting surveillance black ops, if this live <a href="http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/road/default.aspx" target="_blank">traffic camera</a> image captured yesterday is anything to go by:</p>
<p><img src="http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/12/18/tfl_camera.jpg" alt="TfL camera in Richmond showing couple in bed" width="580" height="596" /></p>
<p>We&#8217;re not quite sure what&#8217;s going on here and how it affects the flow of traffic to and from Twickenham Bridge, but we reckon it might be a bit of this&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>This will backfire</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mall security staff given police powers: A controversial scheme to hand police powers to civilians has been extended to include guards in one of Norwich&#8217;s main shopping centres. Security staff at The Mall, Norwich, will have the right to issue on-the-spot fines, give lawful orders and check normally confidential police records after being accredited by [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2685&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&amp;category=News&amp;tBrand=EDPOnline&amp;tCategory=xDefault&amp;itemid=NOED10%20Dec%202009%2015:22:21:773" target="_blank">Mall security staff given police powers</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>A controversial scheme to hand police powers to civilians has been extended to include guards in one of Norwich&#8217;s main shopping centres.</p>
<p>Security staff at The Mall, Norwich, will have the right to issue on-the-spot fines, give lawful orders and check normally confidential police records after being accredited by Norfolk police. &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Magistrates don&#8217;t like it; the Police Federation isn&#8217;t keen.</p>
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		<title>Trafigura and Carter-Ruck again</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hat-tip Carl Gardner (and via Iain Dale): BBC Newsnight&#8217;s &#8220;Dirty tricks and toxic waste in Ivory Coast&#8221;, 15min video, 13 May 2009 Summary The flash video file presents a BBC Newsnight report on the toxic-waste dumping of commodities giant Trafigura. According to a September 2009 UN report, the dumping drove 108,000 people in the Ivory [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2682&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">hat-tip <a href="http://wikileaks.org/wiki/BBC_Newsnight's_%22Dirty_tricks_and_toxic_waste_in_Ivory_Coast%22,_15min_video,_13_May_2009" target="_blank">Carl Gardner</a> (and via <a href="http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/12/bbc-caves-in-to-carter-ruck-threats.html" target="_blank">Iain Dale</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://wikileaks.org/wiki/BBC_Newsnight's_%22Dirty_tricks_and_toxic_waste_in_Ivory_Coast%22,_15min_video,_13_May_2009" target="_blank">BBC Newsnight&#8217;s &#8220;Dirty tricks and toxic waste in Ivory Coast&#8221;, 15min video, 13 May 2009</a></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Summary</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The flash video file presents a BBC Newsnight report on the toxic-waste dumping of commodities giant Trafigura. According to a September 2009 UN report, the dumping drove 108,000 people in the Ivory Coast to seek medical attention.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>It has recently been removed from the BBC websites, <a href="http://wikileaks.org/wiki/BBC_deletes_important_story_on_toxic_waste_dumping_in_the_Ivory_Coast_after_legal_threats%2C_12_Dec_2009" target="_blank">along with an article on the matter</a>.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Trafigura and their lawyers Carter Ruck had been pursuing an ongoing libel case against the BBC over a news story from on the case that aired in May 2009[1].</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>In the story &#8220;Dirty Tricks and Toxic Waste in the Ivory Coast&#8221;, the BBC&#8217;s Newsnight programme stated:</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It is the biggest toxic dumping scandal of the 21st century, the type of environmental vandalism that international treaties are supposed to prevent. Now Newsnight can reveal the truth about the waste that was illegally tipped on Ivory Coast&#8217;s biggest city, Abidjan&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The programme alleged that a number of deaths had been caused by the dumping of this toxic waste, which had originated with Trafigura.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Until this week the story was still available on the BBC website.[2]</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The link stopped working some time on December 10th or 11th, but at the time of writing the Google cache is still available[3].</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Trafigura and Carter Ruck have become notorious for their willingness to use the UK&#8217;s repressive media laws to suppress legitimate criticism and comment. A number of other UK media have already been bullied into censoring stories about this case, but until now the BBC had stood firm. Unfortunately it appears that even the UK&#8217;s world-renowned public service broadcaster has now been muzzled by a rich corporation seeking to use the law to cover up the truth about its activities.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>A handy guide for photographers</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Less than a week after Chief Constable Andy Trotter emailed all the police authorities in England and Wales to say that &#8220;Officers and PCSOs are reminded that we should not be stopping and searching people for taking photos&#8221;, police stopped and searched some  people for taking photos. John Band has some Legal guidelines for photographers in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2680&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">Less than a week after <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-uturn-on-photographers-and-antiterror-laws-1834626.html" target="_blank">Chief Constable Andy Trotter emailed all the police authorities in England and Wales</a> to say that &#8220;Officers and PCSOs are reminded that we should not be stopping and searching people for taking photos&#8221;, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/11/snapshot-special-branch-terror-suspect" target="_blank">police stopped and searched some  people for taking photos</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">John Band has some <a href="http://www.johnband.org/blog/2009/12/13/legal-guidelines-for-photographers-in-england-and-wales/" target="_blank">Legal guidelines for photographers in England and Wales</a>.</p>
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		<title>Same old tripe from the Government</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minister of State Michael Wills in the Guardian: A new dialogue on data We need a rational, respectful discourse if we are to properly consider the benefits and flaws of using databases. &#8230; &#8230; the increasing sophistication of data management has sparked concern about data protection and civil liberties, most acutely over the measures government takes [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2674&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/dec/09/data-databases" target="_blank">Minister of State Michael Wills in the Guardian</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>A new dialogue on data</p>
<p>We need a rational, respectful discourse if we are to properly consider the benefits and flaws of using databases. &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; the increasing sophistication of data management has sparked concern about data protection and civil liberties, most acutely over the measures government takes to protect its citizens. This tension is serious, complex and inescapable. In modern democracies it will always be hard to strike the right balance between protecting the public from the threat posed by crime and terrorism and the need to protect civil liberties.</p>
<p>Reconciling the goods of liberty and security and opportunity, which all speak different languages, is never easy. The only way that it can be done is through rational and mutually respectful discourse, wary of anyone, on any side of the debate, who claims a monopoly of wisdom.</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:justify;">But that&#8217;s what the Government does, isn&#8217;t it? Claims a monopoly of wisdom, I mean.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Unless people agree with the Government, in which case those people are wise too&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>The basic principles for using personal data are that it should be proportionate and necessary. That goes for debate about it too.</p>
<p>Sadly, such a rational, respectful discourse, so essential to the creation of public policy on this crucial issue, has been largely absent in recent years.</p>
<p>Government must take its share of the blame. Too often, we have been overly defensive and dismissive of criticism.</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Rather understating it, <a href="http://dooooooom.blogspot.com/2005/11/govt-flunkies-smear-lse-report.html" target="_blank">seeing as Government Ministers have smeared and traduced their critics</a> and called them &#8220;<a href="http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmhansrd/vo020703/debtext/20703-05.htm" target="_blank">intellectual pygmies</a>&#8220;, among other things.</p>
<blockquote><p>But equally, opponents have been too quick to assume the worst of government, without any evidence to support their assumptions, replacing argument with rhetoric.</p>
<p>The Rowntree report, Database State, exemplifies this flawed discourse. Riddled with factual errors and misunderstandings, it reached conclusions without setting out the evidential base for doing so. The government has now published its response.</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://ukliberty.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/ignorance-or-mendacity/" target="_blank">Which itself is riddled with factual errors and misunderstandings and reaches conclusions without setting out the evidential basis for doing so</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; We can never be complacent about databases – the challenge in getting the balance right between seizing the opportunities they offer and avoiding the risks they pose is evolving as fast as the technologies themselves. Whenever changes need to be made, we will make them. But we can only do this on the basis of a rational dialogue between all concerned.</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Government Ministers <em>aren&#8217;t</em> interested in dialogue, nor are they interested in supporting their assertions with evidence.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">They continue to waste our time and our money on half-baked, unsupported, proposals, and <em>post hoc</em> insincere apologies and justifications.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">This is not &#8220;rational and mutually respectful discourse&#8221;, this is treating the world as a write-only medium and <em>our</em> money as <em>their </em>largesse.</p>
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		<title>Nothing to hide, nothing to fear?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Sun journalist applied for (and eventually received) an ID card. Why has the Sun censored his date of birth and place of birth?<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2675&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2763731/It-took-23-days-11-phone-calls-4-bus-journeys-2-interviews-to-get-1-ID-card.html" target="_blank">This Sun journalist applied for</a> (and eventually received) <a href="http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00945/SNF0930BB-380a_945110a.jpg" target="_blank">an ID card</a>.</p>
<p>Why has the Sun censored his date of birth and place of birth?</p>
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		<title>Ignorance or mendacity?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(hat-tip Andrew Watson) Today the Government published its response to the report commissioned by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust on the Database State. I&#8217;m reading the response and will update this post as I wade through it. So far it can be summed up as &#8220;The Government doesn&#8217;t do anything wrong.&#8221; e-Borders I have that [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukliberty.wordpress.com&#038;blog=529961&#038;post=2658&#038;subd=ukliberty&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">(hat-tip Andrew Watson)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Today the Government published <a href="http://www.justice.gov.uk/publications/docs/government-response-rowntree-illegal-databases-report.pdf" target="_blank">its response</a> to the report commissioned by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust on the <a href="http://www.jrrt.org.uk/uploads/Database%20State.pdf" target="_blank"><em>Database State</em></a>.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I&#8217;m reading the response and will update this post as I wade through it.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">So far it can be summed up as &#8220;The Government doesn&#8217;t do anything wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>e-Borders</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I have that familiar but confusing sensation of being simultaneously amused and slightly frustrated.</p>
<p>Their comments on the effectiveness of the DNA database and eBorders are cases in point: there are no stats relating to convictions but examples of individual cases are, as usual, held up as proof that these are worthwhile, necessary and proportionate systems to have.</p>
<p>Example:</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">The ‘Database State’ report suggested that there was ‘little evidence of effectiveness’ of UKBA systems. However, the following case studies illustrate some of the benefits of e-Borders and outline some of the different ways the data can be used: [synopsis of three cases]</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">That&#8217;s it! There is nothing else offered to refute the claim that there is &#8220;little evidence of effectiveness&#8221;. Nothing. Possibly because there <em>is</em> <a href="http://ukliberty.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/eborders-arrest-rate-worse-than-stops-and-searches-under-s44-terrorism-act/" target="_blank">little evidence of effectiveness</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">[update]</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>ID cards</strong></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">The [Database State] report also noted ‘the growing public opposition to ID cards’ as part of the explanation for a red rating but there was no reference to support this suggestion &#8211; the majority of public opinion polls over the past five years have shown that the majority of people support identity cards and recent research has shown a consistent level of support for the National Identity Scheme of around 60%.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">OK, it appears to be a bit remiss of the authors of Database State not to substantiate their claim here. But it seems to me any follower of the polls would, if he is honest, suggest there does indeed appear to be growing opposition to and declining support for ID cards.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Plot, for example, <a href="http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/issues/id-cards/" target="_blank">the results made available in table form by Polling Report</a>:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://ukliberty.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/idcardspollsgraph2.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2671" title="IDcardspollsgraph" src="http://ukliberty.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/idcardspollsgraph2.jpg?w=720" alt=""   /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">What I hope you can see (and I&#8217;m sorry if it isn&#8217;t clear enough, do let me know) is that I&#8217;ve plotted the results of the polls over time for TNS/Home Office polls.  Looking at a particular poll result over time &#8211; the result for &#8216;support ID cards&#8217;, for example.  This is the pink line, to which I have added a dotted red line to show the linear trend.  It is clearly in decline over time.  Look too at the cyan (light blue) line, which represents the Home Office poll&#8217;s result for &#8216;oppose ID cards&#8217;. The dotted turquoise line represents the linear trend.  Opposition is clearly growing over time. And remember, this is the Home Office&#8217;s own poll.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">And have a look at <a href="http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/files/ips/live/assets/documents/NIS_Tracking_Wave_8-June2009.pdf" target="_blank">the TNS report from June 2009</a>:</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Support for the service has decreased this wave, with only 56% agreeing strongly or slightly with the plan. This continues the general downtrend in levels of support over time.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">The results for ICM/NO2ID polls tell a similar story: decline in support, growth in opposition.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">(Note: the ballpark percentages for and against differ between the polls because of the different methodology &#8211; there is a much closer gap in the ICM/NO2ID results.  Also, I haven&#8217;t plotted &#8216;don&#8217;t know&#8217; or &#8216;undecided&#8217;)</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Incidentally, TNS/Home Office changed the methodology of their poll since (and including) their February poll.  They inserted this new question:</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Q.1a How concerned or worried are you about protecting yourself against identity theft?</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Before this question:</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Q.1 Are you aware of the Government introducing a national identity scheme, which includes the Identity Card?</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">This could explain the jump in support (regardless, support remains in decline).</p>
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